…Is how extreme people are about getting it.
Let’s put it likes this:
What extreme pro-vaccinationists (re: all of them) want is a huge, bureaucratic, government institution literally making it illegal for you NOT to have your child injected with substances that they mandate, which you have no way to prove is actually what they say it is.
And apparently is insane, nay, immoral to have the child’s parents say, “Hey, you know what, I actually DON’T think it’s a good idea for the government to inject unknown substances into my child’s body.”
I’m generally pro-vaccination, but this weird phenomenon of folks who are generally ultra anti-big government being virulently in favor of giving the government the unilateral right to inject things into the bodies of children just baffles me. This, of all things, should be the ONE thing that you don’t want the government to control, right?
But questioning this is apparently nutty conspiracy theorist stuff.
I don’t get it.
Malcolm the Cynic 
Technology is the new Manichean religion.
Me, in that old thread: “The deification of some manmade institutions and technologies is starting to look kind of like a gigantic golden calf.”
“but this weird phenomenon of folks who are generally ultra anti-big government being virulently in favor of giving the government the unilateral right to inject things into the bodies of children just baffles me.”
As I keep pointing out — nearly everyone, including most who consider themselves conservative, is living life by the more-government-is-good-government leftist presumptions in which we all have been marinated almost from birth.
It takes a great deal of effort to free one’s mind of those leftist false premises, because that means rethinking everything one thinks one knows about how the world really is. Most people just don’t want to make the effort.
One of the more important false premises-made-into-an-idol by which people are living their lives is “Health And Safety!” Mark Steyn periodically has a column about the ridiculous ends to which bureaucrats (and mere “citizens”) will go to worship that idol. This idol is so big because once you start worshipping it, you’ll sacrifice anything, including your liberty — and your neighbor’s — to it.
And the reason that “Health And Safety!” is such an important idol is because most people have bought into the materialistic lie that they are their bodies and that this present life is all there is.
I’m pretty pro-vaccine, and some of the misinformation regarding risks like autism makes me shake my head.
But do you know what I support more strongly than I support vaccines? Letting parents decide what is in the best interests of their children and their families. The fact that so many people are willing to surrender this in favour of government direction worries me about our future. People are either incapable or unwilling to consider the ultimate consequences of policies they support; that one day there might be an issue you care strongly about and setting the precedent that it’s alright to force an action upon others is a good way to have an action forced on you.
Of course there is a not-insignificant segment that doesn’t have any issues they strongly care about and are more than happy to just go along with what the government or experts or or elites just tells them is in their best interest. Many people don’t understand that it’s possible to be pro-something, but anti-government mandated something.
But do you know what I support more strongly than I support vaccines? Letting parents decide what is in the best interests of their children and their families.
If your argument is that vaccines are great and necessary things, you’re missing the point. A government body is mandating you get something injected into your body, and you’re going to shame people for wondering, hey, is this maybe such a great idea?
This is not a small thing here that we want the government to take absolute control of. This is the INJECTION OF CHEMICALS into people, and if a parent feels uncomfortable about this, I can’t see how we can accuse them of being a conspiracy theorist when in theory we want far less important matters outside of government control.
I’m pretty sure we’re strongly in agreement here, but from your reply I can’t tell if you think I’m making the argument that it’s alright for government to mandate vaccines because I’m pro-vaccine or if you’re just railing against the same forced vacccinatiom position that I’m against.
Have an opinion on government including flouride in our drinking water? I think that’s a more complicated argument than vaccines in any case.
No, I agree with you.
What seems to drive people on this topic is the fact that the diseases are communicable. So they tell themselves that they have every right to force you to do something if, in principle, other people can be affected by your inaction. Or perhaps it’s that what you’re doing is telling a child to do something, and a child can’t decide for themselves whether they want to be vaccinated – so if someone’s going to boss them around, they apparently think that ‘the community’ has as much right as ‘the child’.
Considering many people will insist that mandatory public school is also completely necessary, I’m not as surprised.
…so if someone’s going to boss them around, they apparently think that ‘the community’ has as much right as ‘the child’.
Yes, because the right thing to do is take the decision to inject unknown chemicals into children away from the parents and give it to a faceless government bureaucracy.
I know you agree with me. The whole thing just boggles my mind, though.
But, hey! At least we don’t quarantine people who have come into close contact with ebola victims nor regions with active outbreaks … nor shutdown “gay” bathhouses.
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